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[lloydyd]

How can we have a frustration at winter thread. Did I miss something, I thought it was still Autumn? Yea im frustrated at the Euro high....maybe you should have called it that....

At least we should be looking at getting down to single digit maxima's, which is a little more seasonal. But just to vent at the Euro high...

ARRRGHHHHHHHHH!!!

Im Morethan Freeman. Thank you. For listening

[No balls like Snow Balls]

weather ship, on 18 November 2011 - 02:36 , said:

You do really woffle sometimes TWS. Snow is a pain in the rectum for many reasons and what exactly are the benefits?

One of the benefits is it put's a smile on people's faces as you see them outside building snowmen, sledging and having snowball fights. I believe it's what they call having fun, although i think some people are adverse to having fun no doubt.

Edited by No balls like Snow Balls, 18 November 2011 - 09:10 .

[rich1]

Euro highs are in late autumn about as fun as kidney failure for cold watchers like myself but hopefully it will take a powder soon

my bones of contention are

1. People writing off a whole month before it has started, saw that as far back as the 12th of November for the month of December...jesus

2. these bloody things after another crappy Euro-high dominated chart, gloating when having a minority view does not make you popular

3. The conditions we have experienced this novemer in the UK. Pretty awful only redeemed by not too much rain. Dont mind the odd indian summer type warm couple of days in November but a whole month is way too much of a 'good' thing.

[Miguel Hugo Roberto]

I need to vent my frustration at the absence of either cold or raging Atlantic. Obviously the latter is much more common at this time of year but we've had neither! It's this midway rubbish I can't take, especially being in the southeast.

[bobbydog]

lloydyd, on 18 November 2011 - 08:51 , said:

How can we have a frustration at winter thread. Did I miss something, I thought it was still Autumn?

we already had one, it was called the 'model output discussion'....!

[Thundery wintry showers]

weather ship, on 18 November 2011 - 02:36 , said:

You do really woffle sometimes TWS. Snow is a pain in the rectum for many reasons and what exactly are the benefits?

I recall an argument in a previous thread on snowflakes that implied that we should ignore the benefits of snow on principle because they muddy the fact that elderly people are dying of hypothermia. Any analysis that ignores benefits is always going to reach the conclusion, "where are the benefits?".

The media does that sort of thing with snow- recapping on a couple of replies that mention "having fun", some argue that "fun" is non-essential and childish and should not be used as a reason to justify something that causes problems.

I agree with Coast that we shouldn't get wound up over the weather, though I did find the near-absence of sunshine in the North East earlier in the month rather depressing. What happens during spells of weather like this is that my interest in observing it wanes somewhat, but on the other hand I am still able to get on with my life.

[DR Hosking]

winter doesnt event stard for 2 weeks, no panic yet, there will be plenty to go round im sure.

[windswept]

weather ship, on 18 November 2011 - 02:36 , said:

You do really woffle sometimes TWS. Snow is a pain in the rectum for many reasons and what exactly are the benefits?

Somewhat rude post to TWS, Im surprised you have an opinion on this as you dont seem to have linked to the Times!

On Topic

I'll save the 'frustrated with winter' until we get to winter at least, and as it happens I dont mind this euro high for the time being as it is keeping the heating from having to go on.

[Weather Ship]

windswept, on 18 November 2011 - 11:14 , said:

Somewhat rude post to TWS, Im surprised you have an opinion on this as you dont seem to have linked to the Times!
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I must admit I'm rather surprised myself, but I must admit I do sometimes voice an opinion on the weather based on complete ignorance. Mea culpa.

[lloydyd]

bobbydog, on 18 November 2011 - 10:44 , said:

we already had one, it was called the 'model output discussion'....!

lol, its all doom and gloom over there too with everyone looking at every single model output each day. I dont see the point, maybe look every 3/5 days and look for trends, its the only way to:
A: stop myself from going nuts with all of the ups and downs and FI dreams
B: Build up a realistic picture of where the Euro will end and more interesting developments unfold.

I hate it being this mild, this late in the year when for the past years we have been more used to a better setup etc, but like i said, its still 2 weeks away. Models change and trends become clearer. Relax, no point in letting this mild mush upset you....

[Milhouse]

I can understand peoples frustrations about not seeing anything cold so far this year even though i'm liking the current 'pleasantness'. Its like reaching the middle of May and not yet having a decent spell of warm weather which would frustrate me very much. Even though proper summer wont have arrived yet i still feel as though Spring should give a taster of things to come. Much like as autumn goes along it would usually provide more in the way of cold and frost.

[snowdrifter]

I'm as frustrated as the next person regarding this mild stuff, but I think there's 2 things going on here. First it's memories of 12 months ago and thinking 'Oh wasn't that great' and second 'There's nothing on the horizon that looks wintry'. In other words, it feels like we're painfully stuck in the here-and-now. As much I'd love a Tardis to be able to travel back to the night of 17th/18th December 2010 or the ??th of ????? 2010 or 2011, I'm going to say to myself, like others have already said, winter ain't started yet, and I've actually got a very unscientific feeling that this mild balloon we're all in is going to burst with wintry gusto sometime in December. We'll look back at this mildness and say to our snowmen 'How silly we we're thinking winter would never arrive!"

Edited by snowdrifter, 18 November 2011 - 15:32 .

[Psycho_uk]

snowdrifter, on 18 November 2011 - 15:18 , said:

We'll look back at this mildness and say to our snowmen 'How silly we we're thinking winter would never arrive!"

Let's hope so...!!!

Getting bored of this mild stuff - I think we've had 1 frost so far this side of 'summer' - not good, but let's see what mother nature has to throw at us when winter does actually get here......

[lloydyd]

ok, so, my wife calls me and tells me she got pulled for driving while on the phone. Im no expert, but im sure this mild weather is to blame...No scientific explanation, just a gut feeling :-)

Seriously, she did get nicked....Grrr, but serves her right...money saved on heating, wasted on higher insurance..

[Anonymous21]

The thing that frustrates me most at the minute aside from extremely annoyingly persistent euro high are all the TV weather presenters going "oh look how great the weather is" when in reality it's anything but at least from point of view..

If they're still saying this when we're well into December then I swear I will lose it. I don't really think it'll come to that as this pattern surely can't last forever but that said by the time we get there I probably be fuming for temperatures only being round about average although I'd gladly take that at the minute .

Edited by Anonymous21, 18 November 2011 - 18:59 .

[cyclonic happiness]

<sup>The only thing that's annoying me at the moment is the absolute, total lack of any weather whatsoever.
Down here we've had the same weather for months.
No rain, no sun, no snow, no frost, no heat, no windstorms, no fog, no thunderstorms.....NOTHING! Just cloudy, breezy nothingness.
i find myself looking at the charts for as much as even fog, or for a rain 'event', this must be the most boring year in history?!!!

It does support my theory though that southern Britain has now become a continental climate as there's a total lack of any influence from the Atlantic in this part of Britain.</sup>

[Stormmad26]

weather ship, on 18 November 2011 - 02:36 , said:

You do really woffle sometimes TWS. Snow is a pain in the rectum for many reasons and what exactly are the benefits?

Here's a few for starters:

A) The simple beauty of it sometimes.
B ) Especially in areas that get seasonal snow cover, it insulates the ground below allowing some plant types to survive in that area that otherwise wouldn't, and they grow back in the spring/summer. Frost gets far deeper in the ground without snow cover.
C) The same effect above is also important to certain types of wildlife.
D) In some areas it is a major source of water/precipitation especially plants etc when it melts, and of course things like reservoirs.
E) It does of course reflect sunlight back into space moderating the earth's temperature.
F) For some people/kids it is great fun!

Of course it can also cause hardship and be a nuisance, especially in this country, and for more elderly people unfortunately. I think a major problem of ours is we are never used to it. in Scandinavia they seem to get on just fine.

As for this weather pattern, it's rather long lasting and boring IMO, although we have managed to get a bit of interest here with some rain bands and a couple clear sunny days with shallow mist in the morning.

Edited by Stormmad26, 18 November 2011 - 19:04 .

[Milhouse]

Anonymous21, on 18 November 2011 - 18:41 , said:

The thing that frustrates me most at the minute aside from extremely annoyingly persistent euro high are all the TV weather presenters going "oh look how great the weather is" when in reality it's anything but at least from point of view..

If they're still saying this when we're well into December then I swear I will lose it. I don't really think it'll come to that as this pattern surely can't last forever but that said by the time we get there I probably be fuming for temperatures only being round about average although I'd gladly take that at the minute .

But i guess that its not right for weather presenters to revel in any weather that would cause discomfort or disruption (that does not include snow withdrawal on netweather). Therefore they take sides with the majority of the population that arent weather enthusiasts who, when questioned, would rather have mild comfortable weather at this time of the year rather than cold. I guarantee that the vast majority of non weather enthusiasts would have no problem with the weather were getting at the moment, simply because they arent that interested in extremes, and it is those people who the forecasts are primarily aimed at. Snow at Christmas might get a few more votes as it goes along with tradition.

Paul Hudson on look north last night described 13/14c as good going for November. I wouldnt seem right if he described 3/4c in the same way as it would be percieved as selfish and not representing the opinion of the majority of the public.

[Anonymous21]

Milhouse, on 18 November 2011 - 19:12 , said:

But i guess that its not right for weather presenters to revel in any weather that would cause discomfort or disruption (that does not include snow withdrawal on netweather). Therefore they take sides with the majority of the population that arent weather enthusiasts who, when questioned, would rather have mild comfortable weather at this time of the year rather than cold. I guarantee that the vast majority of non weather enthusiasts would have no problem with the weather were getting at the moment, simply because they arent that interested in extremes, and it is those people who the forecasts are primarily aimed at. Snow at Christmas might get a few more votes as it goes along with tradition.

Paul Hudson on look north last night described 13/14c as good going for November. I wouldnt seem right if he described 3/4c in the same way as it would be percieved as selfish and not representing the opinion of the majority of the public.

You're right of course but that still doesn't stop me from getting aggravated (well inside my head at least), i guess it's massively in no small part due to how good the previous two winters were (from a coldies perspective) which in turn has led me to this places like this forum in anticipation for the winter ahead. If it wasn't for all that then probably wouldn't be the nervous wreck I am now but oh well.

[Hughsey]

When it gets to later December and there is still nothing on the horizon, then I will be frustrated but as it is its no biggie. Its still november I'm not happy, in fact I'm quite sad. Everyone needs to remember that it is January and February where cold weather is especially likely, anything before then like in previous years is merely a bonus.