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[pottyprof]

This is the place to discuss environmental disasters and the potential problems, both long and short term, natural and man made. This is not the place to talk politics but the place to talk of solutions and effects. Have we learned anything from an historical point of view and can we deal with future problems?

[laserguy]

The Gulf oil disaster. The horror of it and some of the consequences are plain for all to see. Can't watch those news pictures of birds covered in oil,dying. The images I've seen are burnt onto my retinas. Heartbreaking,and that's just the damage that's obvious. Don't know what else to say....

[Gray-Wolf]

A very visible reminder of the scale of the damage we can inflict on our 'life support' system. I wish more folk would realise that we damage Ocean,land and air with our lust for comfort and that we cannot continue without incurring costs (you don't pooh on your own doorstep now do you?).

[pottyprof]

There is a problem with the dispersant that BP have been using on the oils slick. Also looks like there is a problem with others too.

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As arguments rage over how to clean up the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, an examination of toxicity tests reveals flaws in the data used to determine the safety of dispersants.

The US Environmental Protection Agency and BP have locked horns over the toxicity of the dispersants being used to break up the oil spewing from the Deepwater Horizon well. Now, New Scientist has learned that huge variability in the safety test results submitted by different manufacturers makes it very difficult to judge which of the available dispersant chemicals poses the least threat to marine life.

Taken from here... http://www.newscient...ispersants.html

[Optimus Prime]

Gray-Wolf, on 18 June 2010 - 08:32 , said:

A very visible reminder of the scale of the damage we can inflict on our 'life support' system. I wish more folk would realise that we damage Ocean,land and air with our lust for comfort and that we cannot continue without incurring costs (you don't pooh on your own doorstep now do you?).

I think I'm pretty much fully aware of those things. Will it ever change before we do something unrepairable? I doubt it.

[laserguy]

Gray-Wolf, on 18 June 2010 - 08:32 , said:

A very visible reminder of the scale of the damage we can inflict on our 'life support' system. I wish more folk would realise that we damage Ocean,land and air with our lust for comfort and that we cannot continue without incurring costs (you don't pooh on your own doorstep now do you?).

GW I think you may find this most interesting.

http://www.helium.co...d-kill-millions

Also I'm in total agreement with your post,you may or may not be suprised to hear - but note that it has nothing whatsoever to do with,specifically,CO2 and climate change!

[CatchMyDrift]

pottyprof, on 17 June 2010 - 10:25 , said:

This is the place to discuss environmental disasters and the potential problems, both long and short term, natural and man made. This is not the place to talk politics but the place to talk of solutions and effects. Have we learned anything from an historical point of view and can we deal with future problems?

Have we learnt anything from a historical point of view? It doesn't look like it does it? From what others have posted if we are fighting pollution from oil spills with more pollutants then that's just adding to the problem, surely?

[Gray-Wolf]

CatchMyDrift, on 20 June 2010 - 10:38 , said:

Have we learnt anything from a historical point of view? It doesn't look like it does it? From what others have posted if we are fighting pollution from oil spills with more pollutants then that's just adding to the problem, surely?

3 eyed porpoises and Humpty backed manatee here we come...........we are turning into a Simpson's movie......

Edited by Gray-Wolf, 20 June 2010 - 12:15 .

[CatchMyDrift]

Gray-Wolf, on 20 June 2010 - 12:12 , said:

3 eyed porpoises and Humpty backed manatee here we come...........we are turning into a Simpson's movie......

There's a lot more depth to the Simpsons than some people realise at times.

[pottyprof]

Here's an article from Intel, who have built a super computer for the National Center for Atmospheric Research based in Boulder, Colarado. They are modelling The gulf oil spill. It's not looking good at all further doen the line from here.

http://scoop.intel.c...p-oil-spill.php

[Gray-Wolf]

Hmmmm, who needs a model with 'cane season forecast as it is?

EDIT: Not that I don't value models as 'guides' you understand......I mean ,how do we get out 'forecasts' anyhow?

Edited by Gray-Wolf, 23 July 2010 - 23:17 .

[Gray-Wolf]

The same regions being held up as a "sign of the global warming tide turning...." are now burning away as wildfires devour the heat/drought ridden areas of the Russian Federation.

Roll on the cold eh?

[jethro]

Some promising news about the BP oil spill.

http://www.dailymail...paign-ever.html

[Gray-Wolf]

The Russian Wildfires have blanketed Moscow with an acrid smog 6 times above normal safe levels for pollution.

http://news.yahoo.co...iaheatwavefires

[mesocyclone]

Hi all,

The fires in Russia are unreal, really is a big event happening here.

http://jotman.blogsp...-in-russia.html


Also came across this, caused by a cold front??

1 million dead fish

Then we have all the historic floods that have been happening around the world this year. Does look like a tipping point is being reached.

Crazy times....

[PersianPaladin]

His last sentence is only partially correct.

Too many people are using too much stuff; yet these people represent a minority of the worlds' population.

Edited by PersianPaladin, 09 August 2010 - 05:57 .

[Gray-Wolf]

mesocyclone, on 08 August 2010 - 12:23 , said:

1 million dead fish

Then we have all the historic floods that have been happening around the world this year. Does look like a tipping point is being reached.

Crazy times....

If AGW are to cause a see-sawing of extreme weather.....which it is......Russia is a point in question with records low temps over winter being replaced with record high temps this summer.

As ever folk will counter with "you can't take individual events as indicators of...." but when so many of these 1 in a hundred year/once in a lifetime type of events become so common place what are you to think?

[jethro]

So it's ok to cite last winter as cooling then? What about the SH winter this year or the vast volumes of snow in places like China? Shall we use the growing glaciers on Mount Washington as evidence of cooling and a return to an ice age? If we take record low temperatures in the USA as evidence for cooling we'd all better buy a shovel and start stocking up now.

http://www.iceagenow...d_Lows_2010.htm

[Gray-Wolf]

jethro, on 09 August 2010 - 14:03 , said:

So it's ok to cite last winter as cooling then? What about the SH winter this year or the vast volumes of snow in places like China? Shall we use the growing glaciers on Mount Washington as evidence of cooling and a return to an ice age? If we take record low temperatures in the USA as evidence for cooling we'd all better buy a shovel and start stocking up now.

http://www.iceagenow...d_Lows_2010.htm

Well it'd better hurry up and freeze as thousands are currently dying in the floods sweeping Pakistan/China and Asia..........now what could cause lots of 1 in a hundred year events to cluster together like this? If it's not snow it's drought/heatwave/floods.

Pretty busy planet over the last year folks!!!

[weather eater]

Gray-Wolf, on 09 August 2010 - 14:18 , said:

Well it'd better hurry up and freeze as thousands are currently dying in the floods sweeping Pakistan/China and Asia..........now what could cause lots of 1 in a hundred year events to cluster together like this? If it's not snow it's drought/heatwave/floods.

Pretty busy planet over the last year folks!!!

But hardly for the first time, I have a good few books about past weather events and it seems likely that we are seeing nothing unusual, in the types or frequency of extreme weather events. Personally I think the constant reporting of these events as definite evidence of GW, is doing more harm than good, by making the public more sceptical and more blasé and frankly bored of the subject.