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[4wd]

It wouldn't be a record breaking high if it didn't exceed the record.

But you could spin it differently if you were so minded, and carefully avoid that fact. .

Edited October 25, 2012 by 4wd

[PeteG]

I was in the NE United States a couple of weeks ago and there acres and acres of maize that had not been harvested because the hot and dry summer means there is nothing to harvest.

The fact that highest temperature records weren't broken is totally irrelevant, it doesn't mean it wasn't a long hot summer over a large part of the US.

[knocker]

The data is from NOAA and not in dispute.

It's all about whether you want to spin record breaking heat and global warming catastrophe or take a rational view by observng that no new high temperature records were broken despite all the media and activist hoo haa.

The data I posted is also from NOAA and no spin was attached or point being made.

[Methuselah]

I was in the NE United States a couple of weeks ago and there acres and acres of maize that had not been harvested because the hot and dry summer means there is nothing to harvest.

The fact that highest temperature records weren't broken is totally irrelevant, it doesn't mean it wasn't a long hot summer over a large part of the US.

See 4's reference to spin!

[Devonian]

It wouldn't be a record breaking high if it didn't exceed the record.

But you could spin it differently if you were so minded, and carefully avoid that fact. .

Are you saying that temperature can only be record breaking as single readings (either absolute maxima or minima) rather than as averages? Because that's the only way your comments make sense.

Edited October 25, 2012 by Devonian

[jethro]

Are you saying that temperature can only be record breaking as single readings (either absolute maxima or minima) rather than as averages? Because that's the only way your comments make sense.

Aren't all temperature records recorded as daily max/min? It's only after recording that info that you can ascertain an average.

[Devonian]

Aren't all temperature records recorded as daily max/min? It's only after recording that info that you can ascertain an average.

Indeed and absolutely (though some AWS average all their temperature reading - resulting in something surprisingly similar I think).

But four is (afaics) saying that unless we have record daily maxima a summer can't be of record warmth. You what?

[4wd]

Not really, the post was about high temperature records not being broken.

Probably it was the warmest hour from 3pm to 4pm of any 4th July at the back of Joe's Store in Big Springs Michigan, but the highest temperature records were not broken

[songster]

I think they're saying that global warming only counts if it happens in July/August and thus causes a new yearly record. Warmer winter/spring/autumn is a mirage.

[Methuselah]

I doubt that they're actually saying anything really, apart from the fact that it's possible to have a long, hot summer that doesn't break any all-time records...

Hardly much of a revelation, really. And wholly irrelevant, as far as GW is concerned!

[pottyprof]

Did it break any records regarding the length of time ? Just wondering...

[Methuselah]

I haven't the foggiest, Potty...

[knocker]

Did it break any records regarding the length of time ? Just wondering...

The =12&parameter=tmp&year=2012&month=9&state=110&div=0"]October 2011-September 2012 period was the warmest such 12-month period on record for the contiguous U.S., with an average temperature of 55.3°F, 3.3°F above average. This 12-month temperature average was the 3^rd warmest of any 12-month period on record for the contiguous United States. The six warmest 12-month periods have all ended during 2012.

[Devonian]

Not really, the post was about high temperature records not being broken.

Probably it was the warmest hour from 3pm to 4pm of any 4th July at the back of Joe's Store in Big Springs Michigan, but the highest temperature records were not broken

And that indicates/shows/proves what?

Edited October 25, 2012 by Devonian

[knocker]

And that indicates/shows/proves what?

Stupid cherry picking by those who ignore science and have their own agenda,

Small organisms could dramatically impact world’s climate

EAST LANSING, Mich. — Warmer oceans in the future could significantly alter populations of phytoplankton, tiny organisms that could have a major impact on climate change.

In the current issue of Science Express, Michigan State University researchers show that by the end of the 21st century, warmer oceans will cause populations of these marine microorganisms to thrive near the poles and may shrink in equatorial waters. Since phytoplankton play a key role in the food chain and the world’s cycles of carbon, nitrogen, phosphorous and other elements, a drastic drop could have measurable consequences.

“In the tropical oceans, we are predicting a 40 percent drop in potential diversity,†said Mridul Thomas, MSU graduate student and one of the co-authors. “If the oceans continue to warm as predicted, there will be a sharp decline in the diversity of phytoplankton in tropical waters and a poleward shift in species’ thermal niches, if they don’t adapt to climate change.â€

http://news.msu.edu/story/small-organisms-could-dramatically-impact-world-s-climate/

[jethro]

Stop bickering - it's so bleeding tedious. Any more sniping posts will be deleted.

[pottyprof]

The reason I asked about the length of the drought was to see if any record averages were broken. There clearly were a few broken even if the max temperatures weren't. You could cherry pick and prove black is white all day but for now at least we have to accept that the averages are record breaking. As for the actual length of the drought, we need to look back to the 1930's and the same goes for max temperatures when daily records were set.

I hate statistics. It must be confusing for anyone just starting out on the CC journey.

Thanks to knocker for the links.

[BornFromTheVoid]

Using data from here http://www.ncdc.noaa...tremes/records/

[Methuselah]

Using data from here http://www.ncdc.noaa...tremes/records/

Now that kind of data speak for themselves...the sensors must have been placed too close to the extract grilles!

[pottyprof]

Now that kind of data speak for themselves...the sensors must have been placed too close to the extract grilles!

[BornFromTheVoid]

There we go, AGW firmly debunked

[Gray-Wolf]

Let's see how much news Sandy generates at the start of next week? That should be very interesting??? An ex 'cane bringing snow storms to the interior......

[laserguy]

Let's see how much news Sandy generates at the start of next week? That should be very interesting??? An ex 'cane bringing snow storms to the interior......

Interesting for sure, but of all the teevee bulletins and 'net reports I've seen so far, not once has climate change/global warming caused by CO2 etc been mentioned. The media of late seem to have been infected with an outbreak of common sense. This is a growing trend,following hot on the heels of that 'global weirding' programme recently. Any links posted which do contain news items citing the above will not be read - I've had enough years of enduring such garbage,thanks.

[BornFromTheVoid]

Interesting for sure, but of all the teevee bulletins and 'net reports I've seen so far, not once has climate change/global warming caused by CO2 etc been mentioned. The media of late seem to have been infected with an outbreak of common sense. This is a growing trend,following hot on the heels of that 'global weirding' programme recently. Any links posted which do contain news items citing the above will not be read - I've had enough years of enduring such garbage,thanks.

Seems a classic case of burying ones head in the sand, no?

I think mainstream media are more concerned with the near-term hazards of this storm rather than the causes behind it. Anything definite about why this storm occurred, especially related to climate change/Arctic ice, will come after later more in-depth analysis anyway.

[Gray-Wolf]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-currier/climate-change_b_2032363.html

There you go L.G. , some thought provoking links in there to!