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[jethro]

Here's a new home for all the media coverage about climate change; the place for all the Red Tops, Broadsheets and Blogs.

[jethro]

Who'd have thought windmills could be so profitable?

http://www.telegraph...-subsidies.html

[Ben_Cambs]

"Moving clocks forward by 1 hour would reduce carbon emissions"

http://www.telegraph...-emissions.html

[laserguy]

Snowman0697, on 21 June 2010 - 17:51 , said:

"Moving clocks forward by 1 hour would reduce carbon emissions"

http://www.telegraph...-emissions.html

It would also send me into a depressive spiral from which I'd never climb out of. Ticking away the seconds until this,the longest day,has seemed like an eternity already.

[Optimus Prime]

http://www.theregist..._pig_melt_clue/

I don't know what to think anymore.

[Gray-Wolf]

Hi O.P.!

Hows about thinking a warming southern ocean has melted PIG off the undersea ridge line, that had slowed it's route into the ocean, allowing it to rapidly accelerate into the ocean?

Rather than second hand news hows about just looking at the B.A.S. site and reading their press release?

http://www.antarctic...ase.php?id=1227

The important section points out that 'recent' climate change might not have impacted the acceleration seawards as the lift from the ridge happened prior to 1970. Seeing as we have records of ice retreat for the north over a 100yr period I think it safe to assume that 'global warming' had the South under a similar regime (prior to the 'ozone hole' and it's impacts there).

Edited by Gray-Wolf, 22 June 2010 - 07:09 .

[Optimus Prime]

I thought the Ozone hole was partly caused by a Volcano that sits directly under the hole over the Antarctic? And so why is the Antarctic growing not shrinking?

[Gray-Wolf]

Optimus Prime, on 23 June 2010 - 05:18 , said:

I thought the Ozone hole was partly caused by a Volcano that sits directly under the hole over the Antarctic? And so why is the Antarctic growing not shrinking?

LOL!

I Take it you mean the most southerly (exposed) active volcano on the planet (north of McMurdo base) on Mt Erebus (with it's permanent Lava pool.........that should give you a clue as to is 'gas levels'!!!)

Though it is nice to know folk are even working on giving us no responsibility for the formation of the Ozone hole.......it being in the atmosphere and caused by a small amount of pollution when compared to the Sulphate/soot/CO2 pollution we've hoisted up there.......I mean, what kind of a precedent would that set if a tidily amount of pollution could cause such wide ranging impacts as skin cancer ,drought in SW Australia, increased snowfall on Antarctica,increases in the circumpolar winds/current etc,etc,etc

[jethro]

The latest research on Ozone depletion has shown it's more to do with the cycles of the Sun and Cosmic Rays.

http://prl.aps.org/a...102/i11/e118501

[Solar Sausage]

Do I get the impression that certain vested interests are keen to restart the manufacture of CFCs?

[jethro]

Pete Tattum, on 23 June 2010 - 09:13 , said:

Do I get the impression that certain vested interests are keen to restart the manufacture of CFCs?

I guess that would depend upon whether or not you have confidence in research from a university physics department.

[Devonian]

jethro, on 23 June 2010 - 08:42 , said:

The latest research on Ozone depletion has shown it's more to do with the cycles of the Sun and Cosmic Rays.

http://prl.aps.org/a...102/i11/e118501

What Lu was saying was more "I’ve found out how CFCs lead to ozone depletion", not "CFCs don’t lead to ozone depletion".

[jethro]

Full paper here: http://www.science.u.../Lu-2009PRL.pdf

I was showing that it really isn't as simple as saying, we're to blame, ban CFC's and the hole gets better; like so much in this debate, it's not black and white, it's mostly all grey.

[Solar Cycles]

Who do you think you are kidding Mr Mann, when we all know the hockey sticks done!


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[sunny starry skies]

oops by the Sunday Telegraph, caught peddling denier lies...
http://www.realclima...e-a-retraction/

They've officially had to retract a story by Jonathan Leake, where he deliberately misrepresented the Amazon non-story and misrepresented one of the scientists involved. The retraction was printed on page 2, but I imagine rather fewer people read the retraction than read (and believed) the original falsehoods. The interesting issue is who edited the story? Leake confirmed with Simon Lewis a reasonable, non-corrupted version of the story a few hours before printing, yet when printed a different story appeared with a completely different slant full of lies and misrepresentations. So was it Leake who edited the story? Monbiot has some ideas, though I wonder if he has much evidence for them:
http://www.guardian....amazongate-ipcc
Leake has plenty of history of misrepresentation himself though (search Leakegate at Deltoid), and hasn't complained at being hung out to dry by the Telegraph, so the story's probably his...

The key thing is that whoever edited the story - Leake or someone else - turned what would have been a reasonably honest one into something distorted and dishonest, which then spread like a virus round the Web - see this list at Deltoid for some of those that followed it:
http://scienceblogs....ns_needed_f.php
sss

[Solar Sausage]

jethro, on 23 June 2010 - 11:44 , said:

Full paper here: http://www.science.u.../Lu-2009PRL.pdf

I was showing that it really isn't as simple as saying, we're to blame, ban CFC's and the hole gets better; like so much in this debate, it's not black and white, it's mostly all grey.

Very true indeed!

[Thundery wintry showers]

On the CFCs issue, I noticed in the article comments that the paper was often misconstrued as saying "CFCs did not contribute to the hole in the ozone layer", when what it's really saying is "CFCs contributed and there is also natural variability on top of that". But indeed, I often see the opposite assumption- that CFCs in effect determine conditions in the ozone layer- which is too simplistic.

Edited by Thundery wintry showers, 30 June 2010 - 10:39 .

[jethro]

I've heard of painting roofs and roads white to increase albedo and combat climate change, but mountains??? Whatever next?

http://www.telegraph...ate-change.html

[sunny starry skies]

jethro, on 01 July 2010 - 12:28 , said:

I've heard of painting roofs and roads white to increase albedo and combat climate change, but mountains??? Whatever next?

http://www.telegraph...ate-change.html

wow! seems like weeing into the wind... But if it will change the microclimate enough to save their water supply..?? And many will be intrigued to see if they can manage that!

[jethro]

A primary school in Portland has decided to turn off their wind turbine after it has killed 14 birds in 6 months.

http://www.telegraph...ird-deaths.html

Corruption is widespread in scheme backed by the World Bank to pay poor countries billions of dollars a year to stop felling trees.

http://www.guardian....ging?CMP=AFCYAH