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#1 jethro

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 14:31

Here's a new home for all the media coverage about climate change; the place for all the Red Tops, Broadsheets and Blogs.
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#2 jethro

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Posted 20 June 2010 - 08:10

Who'd have thought windmills could be so profitable?

http://www.telegraph...-subsidies.html
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 17:51

"Moving clocks forward by 1 hour would reduce carbon emissions"

http://www.telegraph...-emissions.html
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 20:28

"Moving clocks forward by 1 hour would reduce carbon emissions"

http://www.telegraph...-emissions.html



It would also send me into a depressive spiral from which I'd never climb out of. Ticking away the seconds until this,the longest day,has seemed like an eternity already.

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Posted 21 June 2010 - 23:08

http://www.theregist..._pig_melt_clue/

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#6 Gray-Wolf

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 07:05

Hi O.P.!

Hows about thinking a warming southern ocean has melted PIG off the undersea ridge line, that had slowed it's route into the ocean, allowing it to rapidly accelerate into the ocean?

Rather than second hand news hows about just looking at the B.A.S. site and reading their press release?

http://www.antarctic...ase.php?id=1227

The important section points out that 'recent' climate change might not have impacted the acceleration seawards as the lift from the ridge happened prior to 1970. Seeing as we have records of ice retreat for the north over a 100yr period I think it safe to assume that 'global warming' had the South under a similar regime (prior to the 'ozone hole' and it's impacts there).

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 05:18

I thought the Ozone hole was partly caused by a Volcano that sits directly under the hole over the Antarctic? And so why is the Antarctic growing not shrinking?
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#8 Gray-Wolf

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 07:11

I thought the Ozone hole was partly caused by a Volcano that sits directly under the hole over the Antarctic? And so why is the Antarctic growing not shrinking?



LOL!

I Take it you mean the most southerly (exposed) active volcano on the planet (north of McMurdo base) on Mt Erebus (with it's permanent Lava pool.........that should give you a clue as to is 'gas levels'!!!)

Though it is nice to know folk are even working on giving us no responsibility for the formation of the Ozone hole.......it being in the atmosphere and caused by a small amount of pollution when compared to the Sulphate/soot/CO2 pollution we've hoisted up there.......I mean, what kind of a precedent would that set if a tidily amount of pollution could cause such wide ranging impacts as skin cancer ,drought in SW Australia, increased snowfall on Antarctica,increases in the circumpolar winds/current etc,etc,etc
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#9 jethro

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 08:42

The latest research on Ozone depletion has shown it's more to do with the cycles of the Sun and Cosmic Rays.

http://prl.aps.org/a...102/i11/e118501
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:13

Do I get the impression that certain vested interests are keen to restart the manufacture of CFCs?

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#11 jethro

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:25

Do I get the impression that certain vested interests are keen to restart the manufacture of CFCs?


I guess that would depend upon whether or not you have confidence in research from a university physics department.
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 10:10

The latest research on Ozone depletion has shown it's more to do with the cycles of the Sun and Cosmic Rays.

http://prl.aps.org/a...102/i11/e118501


What Lu was saying was more "I’ve found out how CFCs lead to ozone depletion", not "CFCs don’t lead to ozone depletion".

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 11:44

Full paper here: http://www.science.u.../Lu-2009PRL.pdf

I was showing that it really isn't as simple as saying, we're to blame, ban CFC's and the hole gets better; like so much in this debate, it's not black and white, it's mostly all grey.
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#14 Solar Cycles

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 17:01

Who do you think you are kidding Mr Mann, when we all know the hockey sticks done!


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Posted 29 June 2010 - 21:00

oops by the Sunday Telegraph, caught peddling denier lies...
http://www.realclima...e-a-retraction/

They've officially had to retract a story by Jonathan Leake, where he deliberately misrepresented the Amazon non-story and misrepresented one of the scientists involved. The retraction was printed on page 2, but I imagine rather fewer people read the retraction than read (and believed) the original falsehoods. The interesting issue is who edited the story? Leake confirmed with Simon Lewis a reasonable, non-corrupted version of the story a few hours before printing, yet when printed a different story appeared with a completely different slant full of lies and misrepresentations. So was it Leake who edited the story? Monbiot has some ideas, though I wonder if he has much evidence for them:
http://www.guardian....amazongate-ipcc
Leake has plenty of history of misrepresentation himself though (search Leakegate at Deltoid), and hasn't complained at being hung out to dry by the Telegraph, so the story's probably his...

The key thing is that whoever edited the story - Leake or someone else - turned what would have been a reasonably honest one into something distorted and dishonest, which then spread like a virus round the Web - see this list at Deltoid for some of those that followed it:
http://scienceblogs....ns_needed_f.php
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 09:52

Full paper here: http://www.science.u.../Lu-2009PRL.pdf

I was showing that it really isn't as simple as saying, we're to blame, ban CFC's and the hole gets better; like so much in this debate, it's not black and white, it's mostly all grey.


Very true indeed!

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 10:01

On the CFCs issue, I noticed in the article comments that the paper was often misconstrued as saying "CFCs did not contribute to the hole in the ozone layer", when what it's really saying is "CFCs contributed and there is also natural variability on top of that". But indeed, I often see the opposite assumption- that CFCs in effect determine conditions in the ozone layer- which is too simplistic.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 12:28

I've heard of painting roofs and roads white to increase albedo and combat climate change, but mountains??? Whatever next?

http://www.telegraph...ate-change.html
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#19 sunny starry skies

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 20:14

I've heard of painting roofs and roads white to increase albedo and combat climate change, but mountains??? Whatever next?

http://www.telegraph...ate-change.html


wow! seems like weeing into the wind... But if it will change the microclimate enough to save their water supply..?? And many will be intrigued to see if they can manage that!

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 10:55

A primary school in Portland has decided to turn off their wind turbine after it has killed 14 birds in 6 months.

http://www.telegraph...ird-deaths.html

Corruption is widespread in scheme backed by the World Bank to pay poor countries billions of dollars a year to stop felling trees.

http://www.guardian....ging?CMP=AFCYAH
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