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[noggin]

Stratos Ferric, on 11 Feb 2008, 10:36 PM, said:

Logically, one way or another, we will, eventually, and as the Club of Rome hypothesised, reach the limits to growth.

Stratos, could you elaborate on the hypothesis, please. (for us numpties, you understand!) I ask because I have thoughts regarding Nature "controlling" (for want of a better word!) the human population.


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Not apropos the above, but.........

Whilst the East is East and the West is West, I cannot see the world's governments and populations working together for a cleaner world. All would probably come together, albeit briefly, if the world was subject to an "Independence Day" style attack, but the old bad habits would probably return after a while.

But on the other hand, I do recall reading an essay written by a young Chinese girl (early teens, IIRC), in which she wrote of the distress of herself and her peers at the filthy polluting ways of her own country.


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When the fossil fuels run out, there will probably be massive worldwide social unrest on a scale never seen before. It's quite frightening, actually. It really is imperative that clean fuel is "found".

Edited by noggin, 12 February 2008 - 09:14 .

[noggin]

noggin, on 11 Feb 2008, 04:28 PM, said:

Whilst I am no "feminist", indeed I believe in the traditional male/female roles as generally the "best", I must say that I have always found it distressing that, in some parts of the world, having a baby girl is seen as a disappointment. Sometimes, baby girls are literally thrown away.........

This post has actually given me a fairly sleepless night, on the basis that I only referred to the poor little girl babies and not to the poor little disabled babies too. Cultures which put a lesser "value" on any innocent person are incomprehensible to my mind, as I presume to imagine it would be to any of us on here.

But, however wicked we think it is, it does serve to illustrate the differences in the cultures of the world and how very difficult, if not impossible, it would be for the whole world to work together.

It really is very grim.

[PersianPaladin]

noggin, on 12 Feb 2008, 09:24 AM, said:

This post has actually given me a fairly sleepless night, on the basis that I only referred to the poor little girl babies and not to the poor little disabled babies too. Cultures which put a lesser "value" on any innocent person are incomprehensible to my mind, as I presume to imagine it would be to any of us on here.

But, however wicked we think it is, it does serve to illustrate the differences in the cultures of the world and how very difficult, if not impossible, it would be for the whole world to work together.

It really is very grim.

Look at the amount of female infanticide in India; once revered for its upholding of the divine feminine. Really is very bad at the moment.

Then again, they used to kill female babies in Arabia too before their spiritual and social recovery; not just China and India.

[jethro]

Don't know whether to laugh or cry at this report. By nature, I'm an optimist but I'm finding it increasingly difficult not to turn into a cynical old bag. Everyone knows, where there's money, there's corruption but surely to goodness, this should be monitored more carefully. Grrrrrr

http://www.guardian....t.carbontrading

[BLAST FROM THE PAST]

jethro, on 22 May 2008, 08:55 AM, said:

Don't know whether to laugh or cry at this report. By nature, I'm an optimist but I'm finding it increasingly difficult not to turn into a cynical old bag. Everyone knows, where there's money, there's corruption but surely to goodness, this should be monitored more carefully. Grrrrrr

http://www.guardian....t.carbontrading

Its all one big scam...you must have suspected that? I know I did. Next they'll be telling us that there is an oxygen reduction and we must breathe less.

BFTP

[SP1986]

Carbon trading is a bad idea, and it was never going to cut the emissions. With Carbon trading and Carbon credits it's because the less economically developed countries do all the work in cutting emissions then sell the credits to the more economically developed countries such as USA - therefore USA doesnt do anything but its doesnt matter as they have the credits!

Admittedly the first phase of the Kyoto agreement was bound to have mistakes and errors and thats why the next management phase of this is due to come into effect in 2012/2013, and I think it will be much better as it focuses on adaptation rather than.... well trading!

I cannot believe no one in the UN spotted the flaws in it from the start!

[jethro]

Sad to say, I did think it was a scam but I also held out hope that my instincts were tinged with "cynical old bat" and perhaps it wasn't such a huge scam as it appeared.

I think what really bugs me is I'm just an average bod in the street, we all are, and yet we can see the flaws, the opportunities for scams; yet these so called (highly paid) experts can't?? Beggars belief. The guy behind all these carbon trading ideas at the UN (can't for the life of me remember his name) is now residing somewhere in China with one of the largest Carbon Trading companies in the world. Ditto Al Gore - apart from the hiding in China bit, but if anyone fancies doing a whip round for a one way ticket, I'll chip in.

I've lost count of the number of sceptic scientists whose work has been discredited on the grounds of being funded by the oil moguls, yet the whole world is supposed to sit up, and not only listen to, but abide by laws passed on this carbon nonsense.

Angry of Tunbridge Wells.

[SP1986]

jethro, on 22 May 2008, 04:51 PM, said:

Sad to say, I did think it was a scam but I also held out hope that my instincts were tinged with "cynical old bat" and perhaps it wasn't such a huge scam as it appeared.

I think what really bugs me is I'm just an average bod in the street, we all are, and yet we can see the flaws, the opportunities for scams; yet these so called (highly paid) experts can't?? Beggars belief. The guy behind all these carbon trading ideas at the UN (can't for the life of me remember his name) is now residing somewhere in China with one of the largest Carbon Trading companies in the world. Ditto Al Gore - apart from the hiding in China bit, but if anyone fancies doing a whip round for a one way ticket, I'll chip in.

I've lost count of the number of sceptic scientists whose work has been discredited on the grounds of being funded by the oil moguls, yet the whole world is supposed to sit up, and not only listen to, but abide by laws passed on this carbon nonsense.

Angry of Tunbridge Wells.

I do concur with the point you make about the professionals, I too cannot understand this, my only theory would be that as it was the first time they had implemented a scheme like this they were rather ignorant of problems with it.

A question that may help answer that would be along the lines of did they think it was a serious matter back in 1992? If not then that may explain the rather lax approach to cutting emissions. If that is the case I can understand that they thought the LEDCs such as India were expelling the highest amount of carbon emmissions, and therefore this would at least cut some of the emissions from the more highly populated countries. Now the mistake there of course is not keeping their eye on the likes of the USA who have the highest emissions in the country! I can understand their troubles from that view.

Also through the 1980's many management plans were poor with little connectivity and communication, and little thought of knock on effects that may occur, the carbon trading initiative reminds me a little of this.

Therefore I have reason to believe when the new initiative comes out, the framework will be much much better.

We could all shout corruption, but before we do lets see how the next wave of initiatives turns out.

Lets not forget its most definitely UN v's USA on this one so corruption is much less likely.

[BARRY]

they have to justify their position's in the company

[Mammatus]

Paint ourselves green

[hannegan]

Tornado Alley, on 1 Aug 2008, 11:42 PM, said:

Paint ourselves green

more fun to paint each other green TA

[jethro]

Some progress on a greener future:

http://www.telegraph...tish-roads.html

[The PIT]

jethro, on 10 June 2010 - 08:46 , said:

Some progress on a greener future:

http://www.telegraph...tish-roads.html

Then you'll get the wet house effect as hydrogen gets converted too water. That will then cool the planet creating the next ice age. Gotta get these scare stories in first LOL.